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With Kids · Thailand

Bangkok,
with kids

A river-and-pools city with a mall for the hot hours. One big thing a day, and an early dinner where the children can move.

Party2 adults, 2 children
LengthFive nights
SeasonLate October
All-in₹2.4L – ₹5.0L
Reviews usedNone

Plate I — The bend.

IThe brief

What this trip is

Bangkok is a resort that happens to be a city, and it only behaves like one if you let it. The trip works on a fixed shape: one big thing before lunch, the pool from two until five, and dinner somewhere the children can get up and walk around. Break that shape and the heat wins by Wednesday.

Five nights is the number. Six only if a water-park day is in — and a sixth night is better spent here than added to a beach. The city rewards a family that stays in one place and moves slowly through it, which is why the base matters more than the itinerary, and why every recommendation below is a two-bedroom, a connecting pair, or an apartment. Four people in one room is how a good trip becomes a long one.

Late October is the tail of the monsoon: clear mornings, an afternoon that can open up, highs near 33°C. Convenient, since the afternoons are pool time anyway. Kolkata is two hours forty-five minutes non-stop, and roughly three from every other metro, so day one is not lost to travel.

This is not a temple circuit, it is not a floating-market trip, and it is not Khao San. It is also not the same city as Bangkok with friends, which shares exactly one restaurant with this page.

IIThe rhythm

Out by nine.
Back by four.
Eat at seven.

24061218 One big thing 09—12 Pool 14—17 · Dinner 19—21

Everything on this page fits that frame. Attractions open at ten and are empty until half past eleven, which is the only hour worth queueing in. From two to four the pavements are unusable with children and the malls are cold, so the schedule bends indoors. By five everyone is in the water. Dinner is booked for seven and finished by nine, because the day starts again at nine.

Three moves a day, never four. If a day has a water park in it, that is the whole day and nothing else goes near it.

IIIThe base

Where to stay

One recommendation, three alternatives. Everything else in Bangkok is on file and not on this page.

The base

Marriott Executive Apartments, Sukhumvit Park

A real two-bedroom apartment with a kitchen, a children's pool and a kids' club — the honest way to do five nights with two children and not live out of a suitcase.

The caveat. BTS Phrom Phong is a shuttle ride, not a walk. Fine with the hotel shuttle and Grab; irritating if you had pictured stepping onto the skywalk from the lobby.

Room
Two-bedroom, 130 sqm
Water
Two pools, one for children
Children
Kids' club on site
Band
₹16–22k a night
Alternative — the river

Four Seasons Bangkok at Chao Phraya River

The version of this trip where the hotel is the holiday: a kids' club by the water, a children's pool, a tent in the family suite, and a boat to ICONSIAM that turns the worst commute in Bangkok into the best twenty minutes of the day.

The caveat. Riverside, not central — fifteen minutes on foot to the BTS, and everything on Sukhumvit becomes a deliberate journey. You are choosing the river over the city. Choose it knowingly.

Room
Family suite, in-room tent
Water
Children's pool
Children
Kids' club, 4–12
Band
₹30–45k a night
Alternative — value

Anantara Riverside Bangkok

The resort-in-the-city at two-thirds the price: a proper 114 sqm two-bedroom suite, a jungle-themed kids' club, a very large pool, and a free rice-barge shuttle the children will ask to ride twice a day.

The caveat. The lawn and the pools are the reason to be here; the shuttle-boat commute that delights the children on day one wears on the adults by day four. Plan two full days that never leave the property.

Room
Two-bedroom suite, 114 sqm
Water
Very large pool
Children
Chang Noi kids' club
Band
₹18–28k a night
Alternative — if the trip is a shopping trip

Siam Kempinski

Behind Siam Paragon with a back entrance into it, a children's pool with lifeguards and a kids' club to age twelve. The only reason to be this central — and a very good one now that Paragon has the city's best indoor playground on its fifth floor.

The caveat. It sells out. Two families we know were turned away at short notice this year. Book it first, or don't build the trip around it.

Room
Family suites
Water
Children's pool, lifeguards
Children
Kids' club to 12
Band
₹25–38k a night
Considered, and not for this trip. Oriental Residence has excellent 120 sqm two-bedrooms but no kids' club and no children's pool — better with older children. InterContinental Bangkok is beautifully renovated and superbly placed, but its largest room is a suite for three. 137 Pillars has no family inventory that books nightly. Chatrium Riverside is the fallback if Anantara is full — 120 sqm two-bedrooms and its own boat to ICONSIAM.
IVThe days

Five nights, six days

Day one

Land, and do nothing well

Soft landing · Pool light · Early night
  • Fly the morning departure and be in the room by three.The pre-booked car with child seats matters more than the fast-track. See The arrival.
  • In the pool by four, before anyone unpacks.The single most useful hour of the trip. It resets the children and buys you the evening.
  • Dinner in the building, or a food hall.No first night should involve a reservation.
Day two

The water park day

One big thing · Early start · Home by four
  • Siam Amazing Park at opening, on a weekday.Six zones; Small World is the toddler end and the big rides carry 121–131 cm minimums. Water World closes at five, an hour before the main park — so do the water first. Forty minutes out.
  • Late lunch in the shade, and add nothing.This is the day the one-big-thing rule exists for. A second stop here is how you lose day three.
  • Mango sticky rice from Mae Varee on the way home.Thonglor, at the BTS, six in the morning to ten at night, takeaway only. About ฿150.
Day three

The river

Slow water · Cool morning · Gold light
  • The Tha Tien side before the heat, Wat Arun across the water.Out by half past eight. By eleven this stops being pleasant with children.
  • Lunch on the Supanniga rooftop, or SookSiam at ICONSIAM.The rooftop carries a ฿2,000 minimum and the Wat Arun view; SookSiam is cheaper, indoors and the better room for children. The shuttle boat from Sathorn is ฿12 — it stopped being free in 2023.
  • The Manohra rice barge at dusk.A restored antique barge, three seatings, from ฿2,336. Take the early one.
Day four

Cold air and toy floors

Indoors · Unhurried · Their day
  • SEA LIFE in the Paragon basement, at opening.Ninety minutes, not more. Children from ฿449; the tunnel is the part they remember.
  • MELAND upstairs — the reason this day exists.A hundred-plus play structures and a five-storey climb on Paragon's fifth floor, opened in December 2025 in the space KidZania left. The best mall playground in central Bangkok, and almost nobody outside Thailand knows it is there yet.
  • Mahanakhon SkyWalk at half past four.Pay the ฿1,200 tier for sunset into city lights; children 8–12 are half price. Skip the glass tray if anyone is nervous — the indoor deck on 74 is the better view anyway.
Day five

Ringside, early

Loud · Then quiet · The one they'll retell
  • A slow morning that never leaves the pool.Every five-night trip needs one. This is it.
  • Lunch at Blue Elephant, in the old colonial house.The only kitchen on this page that makes its curry pastes vegetarian rather than adapting them.
  • Rajadamnern for the early bouts, out by eight.Fights seven nights a week, doors from five. The early fights are the child-tolerable ones.
Day six

Home

One last swim · No plans
  • Swim, pack, three and a half hours for the airport.Outbound immigration is quick in late October. The road is not.
  • Do not add a morning attraction.The trip ends better one thing short than one thing over.
If you take a sixth night, spend the evening at Asiatique rather than adding a daytime attraction. A sixty-metre ferris wheel, an animatronic dinosaur walk-through, and Sirimahannop — Thailand's largest three-masted tall ship, permanently docked and turned into a restaurant. Free shuttle boat from Sathorn Pier, and none of it works before four o'clock.
Tone & essence
Flow
Land slow → one big water day → the river → cold air and toy floors → ringside and early → home.
Textures
Pool tile at four o'clock, teak boat decks, crushed ice, monsoon light, gold leaf, cold mall air.
Emotions
Children a step ahead of you. Adults who are not exhausted by Wednesday.
Vibe
A city trip that behaves like a resort.
VThe table

How a family eats here

Bangkok has more good restaurants than any city needs. The useful question is not which are best — it is which suit five days with two children, and which of those can feed a vegetarian properly rather than politely.

So every entry carries a vegetarian depth. Not a symbol for "has a salad" — a judgement about whether the kitchen has thought about it.

Separate vegetarian menu, published
Kitchen adapts — tell them when you book
Thin — order around it

Lunch, and the food halls

The most underrated meal in Bangkok. Four people want four different things, and a food hall is the only room that solves it without an argument.

SookSiamICONSIAM, ground floor

An air-conditioned indoor floating market with food from all seventy-seven provinces — cheap, cool, endlessly vegetarian, and the best-looking room a child will eat lunch in this week. Quietest right at opening.

Walk it once before you sit down.

Helix QuartierEmQuartier, floors six to nine

Fifty-odd restaurants on a spiralling ramp. The honest answer to a mall day, and the free Sky Garden waterfall on five buys you twenty minutes while the food comes.

Split up, meet at the top.

Pier 21Terminal 21 Asok, fifth floor

Still famously cheap — most dishes ฿40–80 — under a mall themed floor by floor as world cities, which entertains children for free on the escalators alone.

Buy a card at the entrance.

The family Thai table

Blue ElephantSathorn · BTS Surasak

The best vegetarian Thai kitchen in the city, in a colonial house children can wander. The curry pastes themselves are made without shrimp paste or fish sauce — almost nowhere does this, and it is the difference between a vegetarian meal and a vegetarian version of a meal.

The vegetarian set. Book a few days out.

Nara ThaiNine branches, including CentralWorld and ICONSIAM

The reliable mall Thai, and the CentralWorld branch keeps a proper jay list — strict Thai vegetarian, no onion or garlic. Ask for it by name; it is not always on the table menu.

Massaman, and the jay list.

ThipsamaiMaha Chai original · ICONSIAM · Siam Paragon

The pad thai everybody queues for, and it publishes a vegetarian version — which almost no famous pad thai stall does. The mall branches skip the queue at the cost of the theatre.

Vegetarian pad thai wrapped in egg, and the orange juice.

Baan KhanithaSathorn, the Gallery house

Unfashionable, consistent and entirely comfortable with a table of four including two children. Its own organic farm.

Confirm vegetarian when you book.

Supanniga Eating RoomTha Tien, the Wat Arun rooftop

Isaan cooking with the best lunchtime view on the river. The vegetarian list is shorter than its reputation suggests — say so when you book and it is fine.

Rooftop only. ฿2,000 minimum spend up there.

Where a vegetarian eats properly

The section no other Bangkok guide writes. For an Indian family this is not a dietary footnote — it decides four of the ten meals.

VistroSukhumvit 24, Phrom Phong

Entirely plant-based, entirely casual, and around the corner from the base. The meal you fall back on when a day has run long and nobody wants to negotiate.

The bowls. Homemade kombucha.

BeirutNana · Sukhumvit 39 · Ploenchit · Sala Daeng

Lebanese mezze is the great unspoken answer to feeding an Indian vegetarian family abroad: hummus, moutabal, falafel, fattoush, bread that keeps arriving. Low-key rather than smart, and the children eat with their hands, which helps.

More bread than seems sensible.

Nadimo'sMedPark Hospital · Holiday Inn Silom

The other Levantine answer, with a deep vegetarian section. Note the addresses — it has left the Sukhumvit site that older lists still print.

The mezze spread. Watermelon and feta.

Broccoli RevolutionSukhumvit 49 · Charoen Krung

Plant-based, quick, two branches only — and the one on Sukhumvit is five minutes from most of Phrom Phong.

Anything. It travels well back to the room.

The one grown-up dinner

Every five-night trip has one night where the children eat early and the adults go out. One, not three.

NahmCOMO Metropolitan, Sathorn

One Michelin star, held again this year, and it publishes a full vegetarian menu. The best fine-dining answer for a vegetarian table in Bangkok, and it is not close.

The vegetarian menu, in full. A week ahead.

HaomaSukhumvit Soi 31

One star, neo-Indian, zero-waste, with its own urban farm and a genuine vegetarian tasting menu. Long — this is the night for the kids' club.

The vegetarian tasting.

Le DuSala Daeng

One star and thirty-sixth on Asia's fifty best this year. Not a vegetarian kitchen by design, but it adapts properly with notice — a different thing from adapting on the night.

Give them a week and tell them everything.

ZumaSt Regis, Ratchadamri

The room is the point, and the salads and Thai olive rice are very good. Minimal vegetarian mains, though — a drinks-and-starters night rather than a dinner.

Sit at the robata counter.

The sweet stop, and the slow morning

Mae VareeThonglor 55, at the BTS

Mango sticky rice, six in the morning to ten at night, takeaway only, no seating. The best ฿150 of the trip.

One box more than you think you need.

After YouSiam Paragon · Terminal 21 · everywhere

The Shibuya honey toast is the thing — a hollowed brick of toast, ice cream, honey. It is absurd and the children will talk about it for a year.

One between four.

Mil Toast House, and Toro FriesICONSIAM, sixth floor

Korean milk-bread toast loaded with cream, and a foot of cheese-covered fries two doors down. Not a meal, exactly. The right thing after an hour of SookSiam.

Soufflé French toast. Check the fries for bacon.

Starbucks Reserve, Chao Phraya RiverfrontICONSIAM

We would not normally send anyone to a Starbucks. This is the largest in Thailand, two floors with a river terrace, and it is genuinely the best place to sit on that side of the water at five o'clock.

The terrace, not the room.

The CommonsThonglor Soi 17 · Sala Daeng

A market building with play areas designed into it — the rare café where the adults get a slow coffee because the architecture is doing the childcare.

The Market floor, before eleven.

Not here, and not forgotten. Gaggan Anand, Sorn, Potong, Sühring, Ojo, Vesper, Sing Sing, Iron Balls and the whole Soi 11 cluster are among the best rooms in Asia, and none of them belong on a page about five days with two children. They are the spine of Bangkok with friends. One warning worth carrying over: Lord Jim's at the Mandarin Oriental is now a seafood buffet rather than the room people remember, and the Authors' Lounge enforces its dress code on children too.
VIThe shopping

The malls, sorted by what they are for

Bangkok has thirty malls and about six reasons to enter one. Sorting them by purpose beats ranking them, because on a family trip a mall is rarely a shopping decision — it is a two-o'clock decision.

With children

Siam Paragon

BTS Siam · 10:00–22:00

The one that changed. KidZania closed on the fifth floor and MELAND opened in its place in December 2025 — a hundred-plus play structures, a five-storey climb, a roleplay mini-city. SEA LIFE is in the basement, the food hall on ground. One building, a whole day, all of it air-conditioned.

EmQuartier

BTS Phrom Phong · 10:00–22:00

The burn-off. Bounce trampoline park on four (grip socks compulsory, ฿85), the Helix dining spiral above, and a free Sky Garden waterfall on five that buys you a quiet fifteen minutes.

ICONSIAM

Gold Line, Charoen Nakhon · 10:00–22:00

The river one. SookSiam on ground for lunch, an indoor playground for the children, ICONLUXE if the adults want a turn, and the fountain show after dark. Get there by boat — ฿12 from Sathorn — because arriving is half of it.

CentralWorld

BTS Chit Lom · 10:00–22:00

The wet-afternoon one. Playmondo indoor playground on the second floor, open daily, priced by height. Nara Thai's jay menu is in the same building. Not beautiful; very useful.

Terminal 21 Asok

BTS Asok · 10:00–22:00

The free one. Each floor is a world city — Rome, Paris, Tokyo, Istanbul, San Francisco — which entertains children at no cost at all, and the Pier 21 food court feeds four for less than one dish elsewhere.

For the adults

Central Embassy

BTS Ploenchit · luxury

The highest-end building in the city, and Open House on six is the calmest room in any Bangkok mall — a library, a food hall and a children's book corner in one. The rare luxury stop that survives a child.

Gaysorn Village

BTS Chit Lom · quiet luxury

Genuinely luxury and genuinely empty. If the point is to buy something without queueing for it, this is the building.

Central Chidlom

BTS Chit Lom · department store

Reopened after a four-billion-baht rebuild finished at the end of 2024: a 6,000 sqm beauty hall and some sixty food outlets. The best department store in the country, and a legitimate two hours.

Siam Discovery & Siam Center

BTS Siam · Thai design

Discovery is arranged by theme rather than brand — the Play floor of art toys and collectibles is where the toy hunt actually pays off for ages eight and up. Siam Center carries Thai designers on an exclusivity deal, so the stock is not in the mall next door.

Local, and honest

Chatuchak

Saturday and Sunday, 09:00–18:00

Go before eleven or don't go. Mixt Chatuchak next door is air-conditioned and is the reason the visit survives October — plan it as the escape hatch, not the afterthought.

Sampeng Lane

Chinatown · mornings

Wholesale trinkets, stationery and hair clips from ฿10 a piece. Enormous fun for a nine-year-old with two hundred baht. Too tight and too hot for a stroller.

MBK

BTS National Stadium

Faded. Phone cases, luggage and souvenirs, and nothing else worth the heat. We keep it on the page only because every other list still promises more.

The outlets, and the night markets

Central Village

Ten minutes from Suvarnabhumi

Do it on the way out, not as a day trip. A hundred and thirty stores, ten minutes from the airport, free shuttles from the airport and from BTS Udomsuk. Luggage storage on site — the detail that makes a departure-day visit work.

Siam Premium Outlets

Near Suvarnabhumi

The stronger designer roster of the two. Shuttle from Siam Paragon at 10:00 and 14:00, back at 12:00 and 16:00, ฿150 each way — book it, don't assume it.

Jodd Fairs Ratchada, and the Train Night Market

MRT Thailand Cultural Centre · 17:00–01:00

The two night markets that are actually open. Jodd Fairs Rama 9 closed in January 2025, DanNeramit has gone, and The One Ratchada closed in May 2025 — most lists are two markets out of date. The original Train Night Market reopened in March 2026 behind Esplanade.

The refund, since nobody explains it properly. VAT is 7%, you get back 5–6% after the fee, and the thresholds are the part people get wrong: at least ฿2,000 in one store on one day, and ฿5,000 across the trip. Ask for the form at the till, with your passport, or it cannot be done afterwards. Anything over ฿20,000 has to be shown to Customs before you check in — so pack it where you can reach it.
What is actually worth buying. Art toys and collectibles at Siam Discovery. Thai designers at Siam Center, which you cannot buy in the mall next door. Children's clothing at the outlets on departure day. Everything else — the electronics, the "designer" bags, the suit tailored in three hours — is a story people tell about Bangkok rather than a reason to spend an afternoon in it.
VIIThe refusals

What we won't plan

The most useful page in a guide is the one that shortens the list. Six of these are closed and still being recommended.

KidZania BangkokShut since 2021 — and replaced by MELAND in the same space, which is the better answer anyway.
Dinosaur PlanetClosed in 2018. The site was cleared for redevelopment.
Dusit ZooClosed in 2018 and still on lists. Bangkok has had no city zoo since; the replacement is not open before 2027.
Art in Paradise BangkokClosed. The Chiang Mai and Pattaya branches are different businesses.
Van Gogh Alive and Da Vinci AliveBoth ended. The 31 July date still being copied around was 2024.
Pororo AquaParkReviews through late 2025 report slides out of service and rusting rails, and it is now listed as temporarily closed. Not at any price.
Safari WorldOpen. A whole day, most of it spent waiting for a show — and Khao Kheow Open Zoo two hours away is a better animal day if you want one.
Tiger and elephant-riding attractionsCaptive-animal contact. A house refusal everywhere, not a Bangkok one.
An overnight in PattayaA day trip at the most, and probably not that. The two big water parks down there are real, but they are two hours each way in the wrong week.
The six-o'clock floating-market vanTwo hours each way in a minibus for a photograph.
Khao San Road, and the queue-rooftopNot with children. And if the wait is the experience, it isn't one.
VIIIThe arrival

Everything before the first pool

Visa
Indian passports enter visa-free for 30 days from 15 September 2026, cut from 60. One extension of up to 30 further days is possible at the officer's discretion, not automatically. Re-check in the week you fly.
Arrival card
The Thailand Digital Arrival Card is mandatory for everyone including infants, filed within 72 hours before arrival. It is free, and only at tdac.immigration.go.th. Sites charging US$10–100 for it are scams.
Fast-track
SAWASDEE by AOT is the only official fast-track at Suvarnabhumi. Thai Immigration warned in May 2026 that travel sites were selling vouchers for a service that does not exist. About US$52 a person. Worth it in late October: queues run 30–50 minutes and peak near 80, worst between six and nine in the morning and after ten at night.
The car
Grab does not carry child seats and you cannot reliably request one. For a family of four this is the booking that actually matters — take the hotel limousine for the airport run, or pre-book a car-seat-equipped transfer. Grab is excellent for everything after that.
Flights
About twenty-one non-stop Kolkata–Bangkok flights a week, and two hours forty-five minutes. Take a morning departure; the whole first-day rhythm depends on being in the pool by four.
Weather
Highs near 33°C, humidity around 78%, and the tail of the monsoon — the second half of October is materially drier than the first. Clear mornings, an afternoon that can open up. Which is what the day shape is built around anyway.
One local note
Thailand has been in a national mourning period since October 2025, and 24 October is the first anniversary. Expect commemorative observances, some subdued entertainment programming and heavier access restrictions around the Grand Palace. Nothing on this page is affected — but it is better known before you land than after.
On the ground
Grab for everything. The ICONSIAM river shuttle is no longer free — ฿12 each way, every fifteen to twenty minutes until close to eleven at night. Chatuchak is Saturday and Sunday only, and unpleasant after eleven.
IXThe money

What money buys here

Almost everyone in travel quotes you a number and hides how it was built. Per person, so the room arithmetic disappears. From — so the real figure arrives later. A single total, so you cannot tell which part of it is doing the work.

We would rather show the arithmetic and then argue about it, because the argument is the useful part. Below is the same five days, costed twice.

Comfort
₹2.4 – 3.0 L

Two-bedroom serviced apartment, economy flights, one big-ticket day, food halls and two proper dinners.

Premium
₹3.8 – 5.0 L

Riverside family suite with a kids' club, fast-track on arrival, private transfers throughout, a starred dinner and the barge.

The gap between those two numbers does not buy a better holiday. It buys a softer one — fewer decisions, shorter queues, less carrying. That is worth paying for, and it is worth knowing that is what you are paying for.

Where the money goes

Flights, four non-stop returns₹75,000 – 1,20,000
Stay, five nights of the family unit₹80,000 – 2,25,000
The days — water park, SEA LIFE, MELAND, SkyWalk, barge, stadium₹28,000 – 44,000
Transfers, and one car-seat airport run₹12,000 – 25,000
Eating, five days for four₹45,000 – 75,000
Fast-track for four, in season₹0 – 18,500
All-in₹2,40,000 – 5,00,000

Hotels are priced per room-night for the family unit, not per person — which is how a family of four actually books, and where most quotes quietly make their margin.

What we would buy first

If the budget only stretches part of the way, this is the order. Each of these changes the shape of a day. Everything after them only changes the photographs.

The second bedroomThe cheapest thing on this list and the one that decides whether anybody sleeps. A family of four in one room is a different holiday, and a shorter one.
The car with child seats, on arrivalTwo thousand rupees. It converts the worst hour of the trip — landing, heat, queue, luggage, a taxi rank with two tired children — into a non-event.
The kids' clubNot childcare. It is the mechanism that gives the adults one dinner and one slow morning, which is what makes the other four days generous.
Fast-track, but only in seasonEighteen thousand for four in late October, when the queue is fifty minutes. In June it is money set on fire.
The barge, or the stadium — one of themOne evening that isn't a restaurant. Children remember the thing that moved or was loud; they do not remember the tasting menu.
The starred dinnerLast, and gladly. It is the best money on the list for the adults and it changes nothing structural about the trip.

What we would not buy

A higher floor.You are in the room to sleep and to change. The view is the twelve hours you spend outside it.
A fifth attraction.The fourth was already one too many. An unbooked afternoon is a purchase, not an absence.
A second city.An internal flight and two hotel check-ins cost more than the five nights you were trying to improve, and they buy fatigue.

And the honest test. If somebody quotes you this trip and the number sits inside the bands above, it is fair — pay it and stop looking. Materially above, and the question to ask is not "can you do better" but "which line is different from ours, and why". A good agent will tell you. That answer is worth more than the discount.

XHow we choose

No reviews.
A verdict.

There are no user ratings on this page and there never will be. A score averaged across backpackers, business travellers and families answers nobody's question — least of all yours.

What replaces it is simpler and harder: somebody we trust has been, and we say when. Every venue, price, opening hour and rule on this page was checked against its own source on 9 September 2026, and it is checked again every quarter. Anything we cannot stand behind is not here — which is why the page is short.

We also publish what we refuse, because that is the part a list can't fake. Six of the attractions in the refusals section are closed and still being recommended elsewhere today.

On money: where we link to a booking, our partners pay us when you book — never for placement, and never to appear on this page at all. No hotel and no restaurant has paid to be here. The four stays were chosen before any link existed, and two of them pay us nothing.